Thanks...that did it. (grrrrr...I hate pam but at least I didn't have to modify the conf file) =G= -----Original Message----- From: Todd C. Miller [mailto:Todd.Miller at courtesan.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:03 PM To: Galen Johnson Cc: sudo-users at sudo.ws Subject: Re: hpux ia64 shadow fails Your best bet is probably to use --with-pam. - todd